09 March 2012

Phyllis Felton Coates & Arthur Briscoe Moore of Moengawahine

Today’s photos are a job lot of candid shots I picked up from a second hand shop a few years ago.  Yesterday I decided to see what I could find in the NZ Electoral Rolls on ancestry.com, this is what was written on the back of the first two photos below plus the one of two women walking down Queen St:

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I thought Briscoe was rather an unusual given name so started my search with that, before long I found a Phyllis Felton & Arthur Briscoe Moore living in Moengawahine which is out of Whangarei & near Pipiwai. Two of the photographs had a stamp on the back that said ‘J Batchelor Film Specialist Whangarei’ so it seemed like a good bet!

On further investigation I found they had a son named George MacNeil who was living in Pipiwai in 1954. He had two sisters, Gertrude Mary (True) and Wilma Briscoe. True & MacNeil turned out to be Gertrude & George (I think).

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In amongst some of the other photos are probably their father Arthur Briscoe Moore, their mother Phyllis & possibly her sister Molly.  I think the photo of the two women walking down Queen St is probably Phyllis on the right as the same woman is in a lot of the other photos, usually with a horse.

These are just a selection of the 38 photographs I have:-

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Arthur passed away in 1984 and Phyllis in 2004. If anyone knows or recognises the Moore Family please contact me as I’d love these photos to go back to the family.

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In the course of finding out who this family was I found out a lot more about their ancestors.

Arthur Briscoe Moore was the son of William Alexander Moore & Edith Briscoe MacNeil, he also had a sister named Edith Mary:

1891/18122 Moore  Arthur Briscoe  Edith Briscoe William Alexander
1894/14185 Moore  Edith Mary  Edith Briscoe William Alexander

MOORE, Arthur Briscoe born 31/1/1891, the son of Edith Briscoe and William Alexander Moore of 'Venard', Mornington, Dunedin. fl 1914-1918,. WW1 papers.

William Alexander Moore was the son of William George Moore & his wife Mary Addie, born in Glasgow:

WILLIAM ALEXANDER MOORE
Birth:  25 FEB 1860   Clyde, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland 
Father:  WILLIAM GEORGE MOORE
Mother:  MARY ADDIEwamoore-web

The Cyclopedia of New Zealand
Mr. William Alexander Moore, the Manager for Messrs Turnbull, Martin and Co. for Australasia, was born in Glasgow, Scotland, in 1860. He was educated in his native place, was brought up to the shipping trade, and joined his present firm as a junior in 1876. After serving eight years in Glasgow, the last four as manager. Mr. Moore came out to the colonies in 1885 to organise the service. The first vessel to load frozen meat in New Zealand was the 'Elderslie' so named after Mr. Martin's residence, and the station of Mr. John Reid, of Oamaru, for whom she loaded her cargo at Oamaru in 1885.

William Alexander Moore married Edith Briscoe MacNeil:

Otago Daily Times, Issue 8745, 6 March 1890, Page 2
MARRIAGE.
Moore-MacNeil. On the 5th March, at Woodhead, Mornington, the residence of the bride's parents, by Rev. Rutherford Waddell, M.A., William Alexander Moore, Glasgow, to Edith Briscoe, third daughter of Hugh MacNeil, Dunedin.

Otago Witness, Issue 1987, 13 March 1890, Page 41
Miss MacNeil, daughter of Mr Hugh MacNeil, of Arthur Briscoe and Co. At Woodhead, Mornington, on Wednesday, 5th inst Miss Edith MacNeil, third daughter of Mr Hugh MacNeil, was married to Mr W. A. Moore, of Glasgow. On account of the recent death of Mr Moore's mother the wedding was a very quiet one, much to the regret of Miss MacNeil's many admirers, who desired to obtain a glimpse of her in bridal, attire. Although the wedding was in the house it was none the less pretty on that account. The large and handsome drawing room at Woodhead looked most picturesque. The morning was a glorious one, and the Venetian blinds were drawn at one end of the long room and open at the other, so that a stream of light fell over the bridal group in a most artistic manner, bringing into prominence the central figures, while a soft, subdued light partially veiled the others. The bride looked queenly in a perfectly fitting gown made by one of the leading court dressmakers in London. The unbroken outlines of the gown set off to perfection the bride's tall, graceful figure. The petticoat was of a rich, creamywhite satin, arranged in pleats finished with long satin-edged ribbon streamers. The bodice and train of lovely brocade. The bodice was in the French crossed style, with Medici collar, and the train square cut and edged with 3oft white silk ruching. A spray of orange blossoms crossed the bodice, and the tulle veil was crewelled in silk and was fastened with a tiny wreath of the same and an exceedingly handsome diamond crescent, the gift of the bridegroom. The bride also wore a handsome diamond bracelet, the gift of the bridegroom's mother. The Rev. R. Waddell performed the ceremony, and Miss M. MacNeil and Miss Reid, of the Taieri, were the bridesmaids. They looked charming, in gowns of soft crepe de chine, beautifully embroidered in silk, the bodices embroidered on one side and arranged in pleats on the other. Mrs MacNeil, the mother of the bride, wore an exceedingly handsome gown of dark green silk made with long sweeping train lined with a blush rose pink silk. This dainty colouring appears on the revers of the drapery, and a panel at the left side exquisitely embroidered with flowers of rich tints in tinsel and silks is a marvel of workmanship. The bodice has a vest and cuffs of the same embroidery, furnished with delicate pink ruffles. The brides cake was more than usually handsome, and would have graced a much larger wedding breakfast, the guests being confined to members of the family. After many good wishes the happy pair departed for their honeymoon to the Lakes, the bride attired in an elegant fawn travelling costume. Miss MacNeil has been a much admired belle of Dunedin society, and if good wishes can bring happiness she will lack none. The presents were numerous and more than ordinarily costly, a number of them being presented by Dunedin and Australian friends, while many more came from Mr Moore's friends in England, Scotland, and Ireland. Among them are rare specimens of jewellery, plate, ornaments, and marvels of women's work, all beautiful to behold and far too intricate and numerous to describe in detail. The bride's trousseau came from Home, and is an exceptionally handsome one. A tea gown is as pretty as a picture long trained and with long angel-sleeves drooping to the edge of the skirt. The colour is of dark green, the sleeves lined with the palest of pale greens, and the front of the same delicate colour arranged in fine accordian pleats.

Otago Daily Times , Issue 8795, 3 May 1890, Page 2
A fire broke out about 2.30 o'clock this morning in a dwelling house, occupied by Mr William Alexander Moore, in Leith street, between Howe and Duke streets. It was discovered by Constable M'Callion, who, with the assistance of Mr Jago and others, succeeded in keeping the flames in check till the Fire Brigade arrived. The damage done will be covered by about £30. The house was the property of Mr C. W. Kerr, but it is not known whether it is insured.

Otago Daily Times, Issue 10221, 1 December 1894, Page 4
Death
Moore - On the 30th November, at Nevada House, Roslyn, Edith Briscoe, the beloved wife of W A Moore; aged 26 years.

Press, Volume LVII, Issue 10683, 15 June 1900, Page 4
The marriage of Miss May Gertrude Kinsey to Mr William Alexander Moore was celebrated at St. Mary's Church, Merivale, yesterday afternoon. The church had been especially decorated for the occasion. There were a large number of guests and others present. The church itself being completely filled, and many others waiting outside. The service was conducted by the Bishop of Christchurch, assisted by the Vicar, Rev. H. Airay Watson. The bride was attended by one senior and two infant bridesmaids. The Wedding and other marches were played by Miss Gertrude Dobson. At the conclusion of the ceremony the bridal party and guests were driven to the schoolroom, where the wedding breakfast was laid.

NZ Births
1901/9434 Moore  Victoria May  May Gertrude William Alexander

Video of headstone in the Old Cathcart Cemetery, 160 Brenfield Rd, Glasgow:-
http://glasgowancestry.blogspot.co.nz/2009_10_01_archive.html

•Mary Addie, wife of William George Moore, on Jan 26th 1890;
•William George Moore Nov 30th 1821-Nov 29th 1909;
•Margaret Addie, Nov 1896 age 74 yrs;
•Elspeth Laidlaw Glass, grandchild, March 1898 age 7 weeks;
•Elizabeth Reid, daughter, wife of R.L. Glass on May 27th 1914;
•Robert Laidlaw Glass on March 9th 1922;
•John R Bird April 26th 1907;
•Jessie Addie, wife of J.R. Bird on Nov 20th 1953.

Jessie Addie & Elizabeth Reid were the sisters of William Alexander Moore.

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Edith Briscoe MacNeil was the third daughter of Hugh & Ellen May MacNeil, born in NZ in 1868.

The Cyclopedia of New Zealand [Otago & Southland Provincial Districts]
Mr. Hugh Macneil, a pioneer whose name was intimately connected with the colonial success of the well known firm of Messrs Briscoe and Co., hardware merchants, was born at Glasgow, Scotland, in 1832. He acquired his first business experience with the firm of Messrs P. and W. MacClelland, of Glasgow. At the age of twenty-nine he went to Melbourne, Victoria, accompanied by his wife and two sons, under an engagement to take the management there of the business of Messrs Briscoe and Co. Three years later, as a partner in the firm, he came to Dunedin, to start the business in New Zealand. He opened a warehouse in Dunedin as the firm's New Zealand headquarters, and subsequently opened branches in Auckland, Wellington, and Invercargill. Under his able management the firm prospered materially, and became one of the leading mercantile houses in the colony. After spending a great portion of an active life in building up an immense business, Mr. MacNeil retired some years before his death, which took place in August, 1900, at the age of sixty-seven. He left a widow, three sons and three daughters. Mr. MacNeil never took any part in public affairs, as his time was fully occupied in business. His two eldest sons, partners in the firm, are managers, respectively, of the Melbourne and Sydney warehouses, and his third son is owner of a large sheep station in New South Wales.

Otago Witness, Issue 2423, 23 August 1900, Page 28
The Late Mr Hugh MacNeil (of Arthur Briscoe & Co)
Whose death occurred in Sydney last week. Mr MacNeil's home is Dunedin, but he has been travelling for some time, in consequence of the indifferent state of his health.

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  SUBURBAN RESIDENCES OF DUNEDIN: "WOODHEAD", THE RESIDENCE OF MRS HUGH MacNEIL. A Guy, photo. Otago Witness, Issue 2524, 30 July 1902, Page 35.

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May Gertrude Kinsey was the daughter of Sir Joseph James Kinsey & Sarah Ann Garrard.

Christchurch Press, January 1919
KINSEY  -  New Years Honour
Sir Joseph James Kinsey, K.B. is a native of Kent, England. Born in 1852, educated at Royal Naval School, Greenwich. Master at Dulwich College for 9 years, resigned and came to Christchurch, New Zealand, established shipping firm Kinsey, Barns & Co, Barns becoming a partner after death of Mr T Acland. Sir Joseph in 1898 became Consul for Belgium in Canterbury, Nelson, Marlborough and Westland. He took a great interest in Antarctic exploration and his firm was headquarters of the late Captain Scott's expeditions of 1902 and Sir E Shackleton's 1907 and 1910 expedition of 1915. The Aurora was fitted out at Port Chalmers but the other 3 expeditions were dispatched from Lyttelton, all under the direction of J J Kinsey and Co.

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George Bernard Shaw & Sir Joseph James Kinsey at Kinsey's home `Warrimoo' on Papanui Rd, Christchurch, 1934

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May Kinsey in climbing dress standing outside her tent.

These two photographs reproduced here with the kind permission of the Alexander Turnbull Library.
(Click on the wording to see more photographs from the Kinsey Collection).

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Arthur Briscoe Moore married Phyllis Felton Coates in 1925, she was the daughter of William Martin Felton Coates & Ruby Oberlin-Brown.

William Martin Felton Coates was the son of Dr Frederick William Coates (born Salisbury, Wiltshire) & his wife Mary Agatha Smith (born Pendlebury, Lancashire). Mary Agatha was the daughter of the Vicar of Crediton, Devon, Charles Felton Smith. The whole family, parents, 4 sons, 2 daughters, migrated to Auckland, New Zealand on board the ‘Doric’ in Jun 1892. For a few years some of the sons farmed on Waiheke Island before moving to various other parts of NZ including the Waikato & Northland.

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On the 15 Apr 1903 William married Ruby Oberlin Brown in Auckland, they had at least two daughters, Phyllis Felton & Molly Felton (perhaps that is them in the photo above of a man & two young women inside a car).

 

Thames Star, Volume XLIII, Issue 10484, 28 April 1906, Page 4
Our Cambridge correspondent writes that Mr W M F Coates of Roto-o-rangi, has purchased Mr J T Major's interest in the well known Fencourt homestead farm, this is a valuable property.

Northern Advocate, 21 February 1916, Page 3
The Annual Meeting of the Te Maunga Golf Club will be held at the Kamo Hall on Friday, February 25, at 7.30pm. W. M. F. Coates, Hon. Sec.

Northern Advocate, 18 September 1917, Page 1
Whangarei City Council Monthly Meeting
Overhead Spouting
Application was made by W M F Coates, Moengawahine, to put an overhead spouting across the road at Mr R Finlayson's farm, a guarantee being given that the spouting would be well above the traffic. Agreed to, provided the traffic conditions were not interfered with.

Northern Advocate, 1 October 1919, Page 5
The Undersigned will offer by PUBLIC AUCTION at the HORSE BAZAAR, WHANGAREI on SATURDAY, 4th OCTOBER, 1919. At 1.30 p.m. as under:— ON ACCOUNT MR W. M. F. COATES: Subdivisions 1 and 2 of Part of Puriritahi Block Kamo, comprising 14 acres 3 roods 15.1 poles, more or less. A very handy little property, close to Kamo centre. Comfortable house of 6 rooms. Plentifully watered. Volcanic soil. Good orchard. A pleasing home. Anyone thinking of retiring would do well to inspect.

In later life W M F C retired to Matapouri where he built his home ‘The Dunes’ and I believe he was an artist/painter of some renown, he had at least one art exhibition in Whangarei although I’m afraid Google or Papers Past don’t seem to know about it! Wife Ruby passed away in 1956 and William in 1963:

1956/21138 Coates  Ruby Oberlin  78Y
1963/37600 Coates  William Martin Felton  91Y

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References:
ancestry.com; Alexander Turnbull Library; Cyclopedia of NZ; FreeBMD; LDS FamilySearch; IGI; Glasgow Ancestry-NZ Blog; Alexander Turnbull Library WW1 Manuscripts; Papers Past; NZ BDM Records; NZ Electronic Text Centre.

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If any of the descendants of the Moore family would like to have the above photographs I would be delighted to pass them on. Contact by email is preferable but if you are going to leave a comment please don’t forget to include your email address.

Dawn Scotting
pandoraatkc.net.nz

09 December 2011

Could this be Winifred Elizabeth Hardie born 1900 in NZ?

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  • Subject: Unknown
  • Date: about 1903
  • Photographer: Robert Barcham, Petone, New Zealand

This one was a little harder to find as I didn’t have much to go on except for what you see above. I could find absolutely nothing on the ‘La Cigale Art Studios’ but I suspect it was the name of Robert Barcham’s Photography business. It’s taken me all day to finally click on to the fact that Robert’s surname is Barcham and not Bareham! I couldn’t understand why I was getting very few hits in the NZ BMD records online and those I did get weren’t helping at all.

I then found that Robert Barcham, photographer, in the electoral rolls was living in Masterton in 1900, by 1905 he had moved to Petone, in 1911 he was in Island Bay, Wellington, 1914 he’d moved to Woodville and by 1928 he was in Hastings where he lived until his death in 1960. For those not familiar with NZ Petone is not far from Wellington so the time frame for this photograph is probably just after 1900 to sometime between 1911 to 1914.

Armed with this knowledge I then searched through the electoral rolls for a Hardie family living in Hutt Park, Petone. I’m still not sure whether the initial before Hardie is an ‘R’ or an ‘M’, maybe neither. In 1905 I found George & Elizabeth Hardie living at Hutt Park, Petone, George was an engine driver while Elizabeth is listed as ‘married’. In 1911 Elizabeth Hardie was still living at that address & still ‘married’ but George wasn’t listed, however, it seems he didn’t die until 1930 so he should be there somewhere. In 1928 George shows up again but this time living at 101 Tinakori Rd, engine driver, living at the same address is Winifred Elizabeth, spinster, Elizabeth is not listed so she may be the Elizabeth Hardie whose death is registered in 1918 aged 56 yrs.

On checking the NZ BMD Indices I found the following:-

Births
1891/4605 Hardie  Herbert John,  Elizabeth & John George
1892/6264 Hardie  Ernest Charles,  Elizabeth & George
1893/7407 Hardie  Cyril George,  Elizabeth & John George
1894/13219 Hardie  Harold William,  Elizabeth & John George
1900/4188 Hardie  Winifred Elizabeth,  Elizabeth & John George

George’s full name was John George and checking back on the electoral rolls I found one entry for a John George Hardie in 1896 living in Tutaekara (Pahiatua region), he was an engine driver. Although they had been married for at least six years by then Elizabeth is not listed that year, perhaps it was too soon after women were first given the vote in 1893:-

On 19 Sep 1893 the governor, Lord Glasgow, signed a new Electoral Act into law. As a result of this landmark legislation, New Zealand became the first self-governing country in the world in which all women had the right to vote in parliamentary elections.

There doesn’t seem to be a marriage for John George & Elizabeth in the NZ records, nor is there a death for a John George Hardie, no George fits the time frame but there is one George John who does:-

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1930/12250 Hardie  George John  73Y

That gives a birthdate of 1857 which fits in with Elizabeth’s of 1862.

Papers Past was my next stop and here I found an article on Winifred’s marriage in 1928 to Charles Albert Ernest Purdey:-

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From this we gather that the bride’s mother wasn’t there, Winifred was the only daughter and that although her father received the guests at the reception he didn’t give her away.

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Then we have a coroner’s report on the death of John George Hardie aged 73 in 1930, but was this the right person? Further investigation brought up the final proof in the Public Trust Notice:-

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One last note: Charles & Winifred Purdey had a son named Trevor Ian born in 1931 & died in 1947, he is buried with his father in the Karori Cemetery in Wellington. As far as I can find out they didn’t have any other children but as the NZ Birth Indices online stop at 1911 I can’t be positive about that. If it is the case then there are no descendants to claim Elizabeth’s photo, probably the very reason it ended up in a second hand shop.

References:
ancestry.com; NZ BDM Online; Papers Past; NZ History

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So there we have it, absolutely no proof whatsoever that the photograph is of Winifred Elizabeth Hardie but quite a nice lot of information about the Hardie Family of Petone & Wellington.

If any of the descendants of this Hardie family would like to have the above photograph (if it is her) I would be delighted to pass it on. Contact by email is preferable but if you are going to leave a comment please don’t forget to include your email address.

Dawn Scotting
pandoraatkc.net.nz

08 December 2011

Amy Mary Trim 1870-1959

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  • Subject: Amy Mary Trim
  • Date: Jan 1893
  • Photographer: Henry Wayland, Rembrandt House, 11 Lee Road, Blackheath, Greenwich
  • Found: eBay

Births Mar 1870
TRIM  Amy Mary    Wandsworth  1d 596

Amy was the daughter of Albert Trim & Ellen née Stedman, born 31 Jan & baptised 27 Feb 1870 at St Luke’s Church in Chelsea, Middlesex:-

baptism-web  Albert was a clerk and they resided at 32 Lockington Rd, Battersea. However, in the 1871 census their address is given as 18 Lockington Rd:-

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Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 706; Folio: 55; Page: 36; GSU roll: 823343.

Albert Trim head mar 30 clerk born Isle of Wight, West Cowes
Ellen Trim wife mar 30 born Petworth Sussex
Beatrice E Trim dau 3 born Chelsea Mdx
Albert S Trim son 2 born Battersea Surrey
Amy M Trim dau 1 born Battersea Surrey

Albert was listed as being a ‘waiter’ on Amy’s marriage to Charles Kendall James in 1896:-

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Charles & Amy James were at home in 73 Woodlawn Rd, Fulham, London on the night of 2 Apr 1911 along with her brother William Ernest Trim.

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Charles & Amy had been married 14 years & had one child who had died. Dorothy Mary James had been born in the last quarter of 1897 and while visiting her maternal grandparents in Shorrolds Rd, Fulham was baptised at St John’s Church, Walham Green, Fulham on the 10 Jan 1898. Her death was registered soon after in the 1qtr of 1898 at Fulham RD.

So it seems there won’t be any descendants to claim Amy’s photograph but I’m sure there will be some family out there who are descended from any one of her five siblings:-

Beatrice Ellen 1867-1948
Albert Stedman 1868-1897
Tom Parker 1872-1953
Ada Fanny Elizabeth 1875-?
William Ernest 1879-1969

Their father, Albert, was born in West Cowes on the Isle of Wight about 1840. He was aged 8 mths in the 1841 census & living with his widowed mother, brother William and half sister Susan Parker aka Trim. Maria Parker married William Trim on 1 Jan 1832 at Northwood on the Isle of Wight.

Albert Trim married Ellen Stedman in the 3qtr 1865 in Kensington.

References:
ancestry.com; familysearch.org; FreeBMD; Isle of Wight Family History Society

Further details on this family may be seen on the Strangers in a Box database on WorldConnect.
If any of the descendants of this Trim family would like to have the above photograph I would be delighted to pass it on. Contact by email is preferable but if you are going to leave a comment please don’t forget to include your email address.

Dawn Scotting
pandoraatkc.net.nz

Trip to Queenstown

This large group photograph was in a batch lot of photos I picked up in an antique shop. It looks to me to have been taken sometime in the 1970s or maybe 1980s. I’ve researched some of the names on the back and most if not all of the people seem to have lived in or around the area of Papatoetoe in Auckland. So I would think a social club of some sort. A friend of mine has identified the hotel in the background as being Eichart’s Tavern in Queenstown, NZ.

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The names I can read are:- Jimmy Nield, R & Beverley Barthow, Christine Leckie, Margery & Des Sale, Janet Craig, John & Marie Brennan, George & Lorna Pearse, Jack & Wym Ivatts, Ron & Phyl Docherty, Mrs & Miss White, Dorothy & Roy Wilson, Alex & Nan Britton, Robert & Judi Tuppen, Hazel & Arthur Sloggett, Louise Hawley, Nora Murphy, Isabel Holmes, Paul, Gerry, Cathy & Marjorie Stewart. Two I can't read and a few are missing.

If you are related to anyone in this photograph and would like a copy of it please contact me, the first person to do so gets the original.

Contact by email is preferable but if you are going to leave a comment please don’t forget to include your email address.

Dawn Scotting
pandoraatkc.net.nz

29 November 2011

Henry Norton 1818-1893 - Mayor of Carmarthen

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  • Subject: Henry Norton
  • Date: before 1893
  • Photographer: T Fall, 9-10 Baker St, Portman Square, London West
  • Found: eBay

Photographer, Thomas Fall, was born on 19th October 1833 in Leyburn, Yorkshire. In 1867 Thomas Fall moved down to London to work as a photographer in the famous portrait studio of Elliott & Fry. By 1875 Thomas Fall had established his own photographic studio at 9 Baker Street, London. After he passed away in 1900 the new owners continued to trade under the name of Thomas Fall upto 1990 when they retired. However, it seems this Carte de Visite photograph was taken sometime in the 1890s when head & shoulders only became popular.

Written on the back is ‘Henry Norton father of Frances Marshall’.

Frances Annie Margaret Norton married Frank Marshall in the 4qtr of 1887, their marriage was registered in Carmarthen in Wales. Her birth was registered in Carmarthen also in the 4qtr of 1852.

      1861 Census - Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 4141; Folio: 58; Page: 4; GSU roll: 543241.

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Here we have Frances at home in 1861 with her parents and four siblings, living at Green Hill, Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire. Henry was a ‘Common Brewer & Coal Proprietor’, aged 42 born in Longstone Hall, Derbyshire. From that I ascertain that he is most probably the Henry Norton found on the IGI, bap 27 Sep 1818 at Great Longstone, Derbyshire, parents Charles & Elizabeth Norton.

Then I was lucky to hit upon Henry when searching ancestry.com and found the same photograph in a family tree. His parents were Charles Edward Baron Norton & Elizabeth Tucker. Henry was a J.P and the Mayor of Carmarthen from 1859-1873.

References:
ancestry.com; familysearch.org; FreeBMD; Sussex PhotoHistory

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He is most probably well documented on the Internet so I won’t do any further research. If anyone has Henry Norton in their family tree and would like this photograph of him I’d be happy to pass it along at no cost to you. Contact by email is preferable but if you are going to leave a comment please don’t forget to include your email address.

All the information I’ve found on this family may also be seen on the next update of the Strangers in a Box database on WorldConnect.

Dawn Scotting

10 November 2011

The Burke Family of Mangatoki

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  • Subject: Burke Family
  • Date: c1925
  • Photographer: James McAllister, Stratford, New Zealand

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I found this photograph on TradeMe in 2009 but at the time wasn’t able to place the family at all. Now that the NZ Electoral Rolls are available online I gave it another go but I still wasn’t able to pin them down. It wasn’t until I was searching in Papers Past that all of a sudden there they were after I inadvertently left out the ‘o’ in Bourke:-

 

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I searched on both spellings and found quite a lot of entries, mostly in the Stratford area.

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Alexander Sydney Burke married Lena Maria Dorothy Hartwig in 1899 in New Zealand (Lena’s birth registration name was Lena Cathrina Maria Hartwig).

1900/17318 Burke  Rene Gladys  Lena Maria Dorothy Alexander Sydney
1902/1698 Burke  Unita Sylvia  Lena Maria Dorothy Alexander Sydney

The various newspaper articles & electoral rolls puts them living in and around the Mangatoki area of Stratford, Taranaki. They had two daughters, Rene Gladys born 1900 and Unita Sylvia born 1902.

Alexander wasn’t born in NZ so I searched further afield for him. His daughters were bridesmaids for an Albert Thomas Burke also of Mangatoki so I thought they might have been brothers. I searched the NZ BMDs and found that Albert was the son of William & Martha and on the new familysearch.org site I found their marriage plus four birth records of their children. Unfortunately Alexander Sydney wasn’t one of them! So I resorted to wending my way through the 8833 instances of the name ‘Burke’ in the two Taranaki papers where I struck gold!

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William & Martha Burke must have arrived in NZ sometime before 1879 when the first of their NZ children was born. I’ve had no luck in finding them in a passenger list yet. Here is their marriage:-

groom's name: William Burke
groom's age & status: 23, single
bride's name: Martha Smith
bride's age & status: 22, single
marriage date: 20 Nov 1866
marriage place: Killoughter, Cavan, Ireland
groom's father's name: William Burke
bride's father's name: William Smith

And a small tree with the children I’ve found so far.

                          William Burke - Martha Smith                                         
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                   St Columba Church, Killoughter, Co Cavan, Ireland
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Children born in Drum, Co Monaghan, Ireland
Richard    John William  Alexander Sydney  Mary Anne  James Robert 
18.9.1867   -17.1.1869-          -c1871-         -23.8.1873-   -14.2.1875-

Children born in New Zealand
Samuel Joseph   Henry  Albert Thomas  Robert Charles  Lillian      Norman
      -1879 -       -1882 -        -1883 -             -1885 -      -1888-   -23.6.1893-      

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St Columba Church, Killoughter, Co. Cavan on the left & the small village of Drum which is in Co. Monaghan but within one mile of the Cavan border. It is located 16 miles from the county towns of both Cavan and Monaghan and four miles from Cootehill in Co. Cavan. Drum Village is the Republic's only Protestant Village and is strongly Presbyterian.

References:
ancestry.com; NZ BDM Records; familysearch.org; Google Maps, Colin Boyle/flickr.com
Church photograph © Eric Jones and licensed for reuse under the Creative Commons Licence.

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Further details on this family may be seen on the Strangers in a Box database on WorldConnect.
If any of the descendants of this Burke family would like to have the above photograph I would be delighted to pass it on. Contact by email is preferable but if you are going to leave a comment please don’t forget to include your email address.

Dawn Scotting
pandora@kc.net.nz

28 July 2011

The Flower Family of Whangarei, New Zealand.

A few years ago I picked up a handful of candid photos plus 3 studio photos that all seemed to be connected somehow, it wasn’t until a week ago that I was able to finally connect most of the people in them thanks to ancestry.com having the NZ Electoral Rolls available.

Some of the photographs are addressed to Auntie Hazel so it seems some of her photographs have found their way into an antique shop after she passed away. I’m sure there must be some descendants of the Flower family who would love to have these photographs back again.

The first one is “To dear Auntie Hazel from wee Merle Flower, aged 1 year & 9 months”

Second is “Owen Lawrence Flower, 6 weeks old”.

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Merle Jean Flower was the daughter of Wilfred Sydney Flower & Edna Rowe neé Conaghan, probably born sometime before 1928. Wilfred & Edna also had two sons, Donald Barrie & Desmond Wilfred. Alfred Sydney had four siblings one of whom was Lawrence Vivian. Lawrence married Mabel Jane Fussell in 1925 so I would presume they are Owen’s parents in the photo. Lawrence & Mabel may have also had a daughter Lola Joy.

Another brother was John William Flower who married Hazel Evelyn Coup 1936 in Whangarei, presumably she is Auntie Hazel. The last sibling is Catherine Margaret Flower who married George Percival Moore in 1923.

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Best Wishes to Hazel from Lizzie and below Lizzie & Luther are the couple in the middle.

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To me the middle girl in the first photo looks very much like a younger version of the Lizzie in the second photo. They are both quite small candid photos so I’ve enlarged them for comparison. The second photo has the date of Aug 1951 and ‘4 West View, Wooldale’ written on the back along with the names of the people. I’ve Googled the address but the only Wooldale I can come up with is in Yorkshire, England. So it’s a mystery as to who Lizzie & Luther are at present.

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On the front of this photograph is “Dear ‘Aunty’ Hazel and ‘Joe’, Best Wishes for the coming Year from Angus, Evelyn Wilson and family”. I found Angus & Evelyn Wilson living in Paparoa Northland in 1946 which is just a hop, step & a jump from Pahi, Angus was a soldier then, don’t know how they might be connected to the Flowers though.

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This one was taken on 16 Mar 1956 at Lake Okataina in Rotorua, the ladies are listed thus on the back ‘Effie, Doris, Elsie, Hazel’, so I think that means Hazel is the one on the left hand end.

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This is a photograph of the Dressmaking Staff at D W Jack & Sons of Banks St in Whangarei.

Here you can see the premises of T G Palmer Photographers in Cameron St, Whangarei.

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I’m not sure just which one of the two girls in the front Maggie Flower is and neither have a I found a Margaret Flower so far except for Catherine Margaret who could have been known by her middle name. The ‘To Billie with love’ is interesting because the photo below is addressed to ‘Billy with love 1931’.This one is taken in the Bell Studios in Auckland. I didn’t originally think this photo was connected to the Flowers but with both of them being addressed to Billie/Billy it seems like there could be a connection, unfortunately Electoral Rolls don’t give nicknames!

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There could be a resemblance between the woman in this photo and the one on the left of the three woman apple pickers above.

The small Flower family tree I found is:-

Sydney Flower married Elizabeth Downie in 1899 in New Zealand. Sydney was born in NZ in 1871 but there are no parents names listed on his birth registration entry. Elizabeth was the daughter of Peter & Margaret Downie & was born in NZ in 1879.

Sydney & Elizabeth had the following children:-

1911/1401 Flower  John William  Elizabeth Sydney m Hazel Evelyne Coup
1901/2964 Flower  Wilfred Sydney  Elizabeth Sydney
1899/17449 Flower  Lawrence Vivian  Elizabeth Sydney
1903/2244 Flower  Catherine Margaret  Elizabeth Sydney

Their various spouses & children are listed above.

References:
ancestry.com; NZ BDM Records; Coup Family Tree; Vans Family Archive

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If any of the descendants of the above Flower family would like to have these photographs please get in touch with me. Contact by email is preferable but if you are going to leave a comment please don’t forget to include your email address.

All the information I’ve found on this family may also be seen on the next update of the Strangers in a Box database on WorldConnect.

Dawn Scotting
pandora@kc.net.nz